The Spelunking Podcast - Episode 29

On my latest conversation with Teemu, we warn people off the vaporware of crypto + AI tokens, go over how the market is changing - including how ETFs may provide a path to something that scans like IPOs - and discuss the Eigenlayer grants to prominent critics at the Ethereum Foundation.

Libra, Facebook, and greed blindness

Over at BlueSky, Dell Cameron brought up that Facebook’s involvement in crypto, VR, and GenAI aren’t working out because they are only secondary to their main business purpose: surveillance. (link)

I disagreed. Cameron was right in that it failed because their main business is surveillance, but I suspect they screwed it up because it was such a great fit that they got too greedy.

Avalanche subnet changes

Teemu and I discussed the possibility of Avalanche no longer requiring subnets to validate the main network.

At the time, I did not see the value - why wouldn’t you just build on Cosmos?

Teemu mentioned the possibility of raising from capital that needs to invest in an otherwise barren ecosystem.

I now suspect they may end up sucking air off L2s instead of Cosmos.

Also, I think Avalanche has the advantage that they can tell any EVM story to those were looking to L2s.

It is something I hadn’t considered.

It might not pull away teams that are looking into Cosmos, but will impact those that look at the L2 landscape and decide there is not enough there for them.

Cleanest unbundling wins

Markets are a series of bundling and unbundling, and whomever does the cleanest job, wins.

A clean unbundling makes it easier for others to build upon you, to integrate, to build businesses around you. It’s why people used S3 instead of other more elaborate mechanisms.

A clean bundling makes your whole look solid, integrated, like what Apple used to be.

In both cases, you get the advantage of reduced cognitive overhead.

Subversion to capitalization

Back in 1999, David Bowie spoke about how music used to be subversive, but had since become merely an information delivery mechanism - it was the Internet that was subversive.

Fast-forward, and the Internet is an information (and disinformation) delivery mechanism - it is crypto and other areas that are subversive.

The thing that is subversive now is the what will make money in a few years.

ZKP Bridging

TL;DR: I don’t see any practical path forward for decentralized stuff other than abandon the pretense of cross-chain value transfer and embrace balkanization, while letting the centralized stuff handle the cross-chain value transfer.

Privacy and memory

Fully private systems, like Aleo, will be mostly memoryless systems (memory will be provided only by an individual’s viewing keys).

These systems will allow for a class of application we haven’t seen online before - UTXO/records as rai stones that just happened to materialize along with a zkp.

Given that fully private systems will be memoryless black boxes with zero-knowledge proofs, one cannot verify that a contract path got executed in the exact same way that you would have wanted. Therefore, it makes no sense to cling to the notion of traditional execution, and one should focus on the result that one wanted to achieve.

This would seem to indicate that private systems lend themselves to intent-based approaches.

Backlash technology

Backlash Technology is a term coined by Peter Watts - it’s tech for which one of the key properties is a prominently displayed middle finger at something else. Think Signal and Telegram adoption spikes whenever WhatsApp screws something up, or crypto as a reaction to the financial system (particularly in places plagued with hyperinflation).